tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1566606152366187003.post1597971424747041180..comments2024-03-22T14:05:05.212-04:00Comments on Czabe.com: DesperadosCzabehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12420874855933163339noreply@blogger.comBlogger55125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1566606152366187003.post-15488501890531323062012-03-13T13:26:04.739-04:002012-03-13T13:26:04.739-04:00I agree that RG3 will be good. But you have the m...I agree that RG3 will be good. But you have the math wrong on the trade. According to you "we traded first round picks this year and lost a second in 2012". In actuality we gave up 3 first round picks and a second round pick.Corey Burnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14120041851644536929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1566606152366187003.post-4113868772948805392012-03-13T13:22:14.681-04:002012-03-13T13:22:14.681-04:00It continues to boggle my mind how people can actu...It continues to boggle my mind how people can actually argue that the only thing we traded for RG3 was 2 first round picks and 1 second round pick. If the Cowboys traded Tony Romo and 3 offensive linemen to the Packers for Aaron Rogers we wouldn't say that the Cowboys got Rogers for 3 linemen would we? According to the logic of most people we would discount the Romo-Rogers part of the deal because we just "swapped" them. The bottom line is that we gave up 3 first round picks and 1 second round pick and received 1 first round pick in return.Corey Burnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14120041851644536929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1566606152366187003.post-84491790008936007592012-03-13T13:16:59.675-04:002012-03-13T13:16:59.675-04:00The point is that you can think RG3 will be great ...The point is that you can think RG3 will be great and you can also think it was a bad deal. The two are not mutually exclusive. What if the Skins had traded 6 first round picks and 6 second round picks to get RG3? Would you still say that was a good deal? At some point you would probably agree that it was a bad deal - no matter how good RG3 turns out to be. So we only differ on how many picks = bad deal. There are a lot of people who think that giving up that many picks is a bad deal even if RG3 turns out to be awesome.Corey Burnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14120041851644536929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1566606152366187003.post-33651547801474096212012-03-13T11:50:02.723-04:002012-03-13T11:50:02.723-04:00Sorry Czabe but to compare the decision making of ...Sorry Czabe but to compare the decision making of the Allen/Shanahan regime to the Vinny circus is not credible. As proven by last year's draft they know how to build this team. There's no way to gloss over the mistake they made with McNabb but no one hits on every move. Another year with a make-shift QB situation was not tolerable. I give them credit for being decisive. No Peyton, fine execute Plan B. Pls let's stop the Danny bashing, yes he's made mistakes but he does whatever he thinks best to build a winner. Let's let this group of football men have the chance to build it for him. We (including Snyder) were totally abused by putting confidence in Vinny. Take a breath Czabe.1Bigdadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16825204074223941546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1566606152366187003.post-35094182546436423382012-03-13T11:34:56.911-04:002012-03-13T11:34:56.911-04:00I would argue that the true "cost" of RG...I would argue that the true "cost" of RGIII is not the 4 picks you're actually paying, but it's the marginal picks over and above what everyone agrees is a "fair" deal.<br /><br />Pretty much everyone would jump at this deal for 2 1sts and 1 2nd, so the real "cost" of the deal is 1 first round pick. That is the pick that you're "giving up" that could have been used for a defensive end or left tackle down the road. But at 2 1sts and 1 2nd, no one would say that "you're setting the franchise back for years." In the end, the only thing that you're really giving up is that one extra 1st round pick.<br /><br />But remember, if it was 3 picks plus Orakpo, people might be sqwaking, so remember that one additional 1st round pick can be a very meaningful amount.Awalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07071561607620273967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1566606152366187003.post-22079226614614152952012-03-13T10:32:25.511-04:002012-03-13T10:32:25.511-04:00Terrific stuff. To Dave, how can you not be entire...Terrific stuff. To Dave, how can you not be entirely cynical of the Redskins (mis)management over the years? Of course we should be hard on them, because they are almost always wrong. I love RG3, but if he is anything less than a star, we got worked in this trade. Think about if we had made this trade 3 years ago. No Trent Williams, Kerrigan, and Jenkins. Just saying.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1566606152366187003.post-88924252796377850632012-03-13T09:46:30.806-04:002012-03-13T09:46:30.806-04:00You can go around and around on this forever, the ...You can go around and around on this forever, the bottom line is, if RG2 comes out and performs well no one will ever complain about the next two years missing draft pick...BUT, if he doesn't you'll hear "they should have waited" "they mortgaged their future" "Shananhan has to go" "they didn't groom him" Blah Blah Blah. I am a long time Redskins fan and I will say this, Snyder and Shanahan have played their hand, so they better make damn sure they let this kid mature and do whatever it takes to bring him along the right way. Hopefully he won't be a bust. But let's at least make the team better through patience and a little moneyball with the lower round draft picks...lolKB's Worldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06949841300818115801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1566606152366187003.post-68670383031083907472012-03-13T08:02:46.521-04:002012-03-13T08:02:46.521-04:00What really stuck out in this rant was Czabe takin...What really stuck out in this rant was Czabe taking shots at yet another NFL reporter. Czabe, do you just hate every journalist who's more popular than you?Bushmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05359249693578357667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1566606152366187003.post-14967518173853163522012-03-12T20:30:55.982-04:002012-03-12T20:30:55.982-04:00Czabe,
You need to find another team b/c no matter...Czabe,<br />You need to find another team b/c no matter what gets done with management and the organization you are damaged goods that can't see any positive. You're like the girlfriend who has been cheated on and can't trust the guy no matter how well he behaves. In fact, the whole crew- Andy, Kevin et al, you guys need to go. I feel badly listening to the pain in your voices when covering the Skins. We could win the Superbowl next year and you and Andy would be at the parade complaining about how long it took or that we only won one. Please research what Cleveland was willing to pay for that pick. We were two spots behind them and had to out-bid them. We paid market-price for him and we didn't create that price like you think. If we were two spots ahead and Cleveland was in #6, then we probably would have paid what you wanted us to pay. If we paid what you wanted to pay at #6 then we don't get him and we have just another terrible year with no QB. It was Hail Mary time...it's been 20 years of 1st round picks and no wins. Kudos to them for trying something huge.Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03298339249092209615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1566606152366187003.post-29276550701892572362012-03-12T19:18:46.290-04:002012-03-12T19:18:46.290-04:00Czabe,
Good articles. Good points. However, the...Czabe,<br /> Good articles. Good points. However, the bottom line is that they had to do something. <br />Was it poor planning/drafting that got us into this mess? Yes. Do I wish we didn't have to give up so many draft picks? Yes. <br />We have sucked for so long something has to give. Yes, they are all in for RG3. My response: About f*cking time. Lead, follow or get out of the way. I would rather them place all the chips on RG3 and see what happens vice spending another year waiting for next year to rebuild. <br />Beat Army!GoNavy1994https://www.blogger.com/profile/10185749032787012077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1566606152366187003.post-62756738333412435932012-03-12T17:16:26.606-04:002012-03-12T17:16:26.606-04:00OK, so if "They did not spend this years pick...OK, so if "They did not spend this years pick" then they'd still have another first round pick by that logic. No matter how you cut it, it cost the Skins 3 #1s and one #2 in order to get RG3. You're trying use net cost as the real cost which is faulty logic. The #6 pick has value and therefore is a cost of the total deal. The cost is the #6 plus added picks. Here's a better way to look at it. Let's say the Rams had already drafted RG3, but already have Bradford and like him a whole lot. So they say "OK, we'll take offers". The Skins then show up and say "We love RG3 and will offer three #1 picks and a #2 pick." In this case the only thing that changed is the Rams physically have RG3 not just the rights to draft him. Cost is cost.mackmorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18268480003434280305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1566606152366187003.post-2506390312429348992012-03-12T17:01:12.149-04:002012-03-12T17:01:12.149-04:00bottom line - I'm desperate like the skins. it...bottom line - I'm desperate like the skins. it sucks watching a team with a mediocre QB. maybe the shana-hi & allen WILL draft well in the lower rounds and strike lightning w/ some lineman or a WR. desperation leads to delusion :(tommyg99https://www.blogger.com/profile/15990859902422675064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1566606152366187003.post-44594067585094499262012-03-12T16:54:29.338-04:002012-03-12T16:54:29.338-04:00Understood, we all know that. And Troy Aikman was ...Understood, we all know that. And Troy Aikman was overall #1. Point is that 8 of the Super Bowl winning QBs in the past 20 years responsible for 10 of them were much further down the draft line. Except Trent Dilfer who everybody sees as a joke, but was drafted 6th overall. Eli and Elway wound up in NYC and Denver by virtue of refusing to play in San Diego and Baltimore so those were not swap-ups in the draft to get them. So, bottom line is that no team has drafted up in the order in the last 20 years to get a Super Bowl winning QB. Good luck.mackmorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18268480003434280305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1566606152366187003.post-64828141375921899612012-03-12T16:46:54.677-04:002012-03-12T16:46:54.677-04:00Point taken mackmor - but you're asking the Re...Point taken mackmor - but you're asking the Redskins to do homework and draft well!? haha.<br />good luck with that. and some of those were lighting in a bottle lucky. except the Pats & Brady :) they alwayy draft well.tommyg99https://www.blogger.com/profile/15990859902422675064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1566606152366187003.post-62989017523782043912012-03-12T16:26:50.168-04:002012-03-12T16:26:50.168-04:00Eli Manning - Round 1
Payton Manning - Round 1Eli Manning - Round 1<br />Payton Manning - Round 1Drazywhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09394487642278188561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1566606152366187003.post-57442377079855146792012-03-12T16:20:15.506-04:002012-03-12T16:20:15.506-04:003-1=2 no matter how you want to spin it. There ar...3-1=2 no matter how you want to spin it. There are 4 first round picks involved. The skins have 3 and the rams have 1. The Skins give the Rams 3, and the Rams give the skins 1. That means the net cost is 2 first round draft picks. PERIOD. If you want to speak "Intrinsically" you can say the redskins payed 2 future first round draft picks to increase the value of the current years first round draft pick. They did not spend this years pick.Drazywhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09394487642278188561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1566606152366187003.post-32609796215771742572012-03-12T16:07:10.859-04:002012-03-12T16:07:10.859-04:00The king of "smarm" strikes again!The king of "smarm" strikes again!Brad Yohohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18367627899944626761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1566606152366187003.post-10632531086335299022012-03-12T16:07:03.952-04:002012-03-12T16:07:03.952-04:00Let's look at most of the Super Bowl winning Q...Let's look at most of the Super Bowl winning QBs over the past 20 years were drafted:<br /><br />Aaron Rogers - 24th - Round 1<br />Drew Brees - 32nd - Round 2<br />Ben Rothlisberger - 11th - Round 1<br />Tom Brady - 199th - Round 6<br />Brad Johnson - 227th - Round 9<br />Trent Dilfer - 6th - Round 1<br />Kurt Warner - Undrafted<br />Brett Favre - 32nd - Round 2<br /><br />So, either do your homework and draft well without spending any additional picks or spend future picks and hope you hit a home run.mackmorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18268480003434280305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1566606152366187003.post-40044674256406773382012-03-12T15:54:15.581-04:002012-03-12T15:54:15.581-04:00Yeah, Phillip Rivers is great! How many AFC Title ...Yeah, Phillip Rivers is great! How many AFC Title Games? Super Bowls? RINGS? You are an idiot. So glad to be a Giant fan. Real fans, real teams, and a REAL QB because my organization went up to get who they believed in. You can have all the yards and TD's you want. Phillip Rivers is NO Eli, and NEVER will be. Idiot. You MUST have a QB in this league. Does not matter what you have to do to get him, just get him. Peyton ALONE is worth 7 wins, Colts proved that. You have no clue. Become a Giants beat reporter for a few years, and you will see what it's like to be in a Championship environment. Something you know nothing about.Ob5698https://www.blogger.com/profile/00773097139925903417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1566606152366187003.post-61961981436502974072012-03-12T15:51:02.197-04:002012-03-12T15:51:02.197-04:00oops and
Super Bowl 45: Aaron Rodgers
Super Bowl ...oops and <br />Super Bowl 45: Aaron Rodgers<br />Super Bowl 46: Eli Manning<br />suspect unti that one I suppose ;)<br /><br />make that 20 years.tommyg99https://www.blogger.com/profile/15990859902422675064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1566606152366187003.post-59569056885544724832012-03-12T15:48:00.320-04:002012-03-12T15:48:00.320-04:00I agree the player was right, the price was too st...I agree the player was right, the price was too steep. Now we're dependent on free agents to fill in the gaps. This draft is deep in lineman. My move would have been to try and trade back like last year and draft OL. There is no depth. There are quite a few young QB's coming out next year that will get the same pub as RG3. The Redskins won 3 SB's without a "franchise QB" because they had one of the best OL's in history. Peyton was so good in getting rid of the ball, no one really saw how bad their line was until this season. How many sacks have the Redskins given up over the last 10 years? You need to address the OL 1st and foremost. If you can't trade back, take the best player on your draft board to fill an immediate need, which this team has lots of. I'm a lifelong fan and former season ticket holder, I want to hang new SB pics on my wall instead of having to remember back to how nice it was to win constantly. We're still making up for 10 years of mis-management. It takes time, but after last year's draft, I felt we were finally on the right track. If they can get the pieces to protect RG3, I will get onboard, until then, I'm glad he's fast because he'll be running for his life.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1566606152366187003.post-32723174969857835542012-03-12T15:44:44.443-04:002012-03-12T15:44:44.443-04:00OK I think what is being missed here is that there...OK I think what is being missed here is that there is a "cost" to using a draft pick to trade up or down. If you use a #6 to trade up, then, as odd as it may sound, you have incurred the cost of not using the #6 as intended, but rather have decided to spend it in order to spend even more picks to get into a better position. This is not a free "swap". It is a leveraged moved based on value. #2 has more value than #6, intrinsically. No one would just swap places without asking for more in exchange. It cost you #6 just to have the conversation. Cost is cost no matter how you want to rationalize the moves made. Trading down would cost you #6 in order to get several lower picks because #6 has it's intrinsic higher value.mackmorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18268480003434280305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1566606152366187003.post-27809277261658276362012-03-12T15:44:30.025-04:002012-03-12T15:44:30.025-04:00too much yapping. too many words in these posts:
i...too much yapping. too many words in these posts:<br />in this 'modern' NFL which I arbitrarily define:<br />Super Bowl 27. Troy Aikman (MVP), 4 TDs<br />Super Bowl 28. Troy Aikman (Emmitt Smith), O TDs<br />Super Bowl 29. Steve Young (MVP), 6 TDs<br />Super Bowl 30. Troy Aikman (Larry Brown), 1 TD<br />Super Bowl 31. Brett Favre (Desmond Howard), 2 TDs<br />Super Bowl 32. John Elway (Terrell Davis), 0 TDs<br />Super Bowl 33. John Elway (MVP), 1 TD<br />Super Bowl 34. Kurt Warner (MVP), 2 TDs<br />Super Bowl 35. Trent Dilfer (Ray Lewis), 1 TD<br />Super Bowl 36. Tom Brady (MVP), 1 TD<br />Super Bowl 37. Brad Johnson (Dexter Jackson), 2 TDs<br />Super Bowl 38. Tom Brady (MVP), 3 TDs<br />Super Bowl 39. Tom Brady (Deion Branch), 2 TDs<br />Super Bowl 40. Ben Roethlisberger (Hines Ward), 0 TDs<br />Super Bowl 41. Peyton Manning (MVP), 1 TD<br />Super Bowl 42. Eli Manning (MVP), 2 TDs<br />Super Bowl 43: Ben Roethlisberger (Santonio Holmes), 1 TD<br />Super Bowl 44: Drew Brees (MVP), 2 TDs<br /><br />Dilfer and Brad Johnson are the only 2 "non-elite" QBs to win the Super Bowl in the last 18 years. Get a damn QB. fill in the rest...tommyg99https://www.blogger.com/profile/15990859902422675064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1566606152366187003.post-12850335517550062662012-03-12T15:18:32.146-04:002012-03-12T15:18:32.146-04:00No matter how you do the math the cost is three #1...No matter how you do the math the cost is three #1s (including this year's #6, now a #2) and one #2. Draft picks have intrinsic value. When they are spent, not matter how, that is a cost. In this case, you have no deal if you don't already have the #6 to bargain with. You are spending #6 in order to get into position to spend two additional #1s and one #2. In the reverse case of trading down, like last year, it cost them their higher draft position to acquire lower picks. Like baseball stats, you can satisfy yourself my interpreting them any way you like I guess.mackmorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18268480003434280305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1566606152366187003.post-48247957010164306502012-03-12T15:13:05.964-04:002012-03-12T15:13:05.964-04:00Your math is wrong because you started incorrectly...Your math is wrong because you started incorrectly. "Lets walk through this slowly, You have RGIII." Incorrect. No one has RGIII. Everyone has PICKS! Team A wants pick 2. Team B has pick 2. Team A and Team B swap. Whats the cost? Nothing. It's free as far as "rounds" are concerned. First for a First. Now, is 2 more valuable than 6? It depends. It's complicated. So, team A wants pick 2. So do a lot of people. Pick 2 to make it a guarantee ends up being very valuable to team A because 3, 4, and 5 might make a move to degrade pick 6's value, and other teams might want to trade to get pick 2 and further degrade pick 6 in team A's eyes. Obvious logic. Lets recap. All that is on the table so far is a swap. Team A wants a player they will never get unless they swap. So, to team A, pick 2 is valuable. Pick 2 isn't as valuable to team B they will get the player they want at 2 or 6. It doesn't matter. So whats in it for team B? There is no need for them to swap with team A unless team A can give them something EXTRA. So, team A gives team B 2 future first round picks in exchange for a swap in position this year. That is the cost. You want to trade positions in the first round for the cost of 2 first round picks in a future draft. Logically, what is hard to understand about this? <br /><br />Lets look at your logic. The Redskins give the Rams this years First round pick at number 6, and 2 more future first round picks. But why did they give this to them? OH, to get a first round pick this year at position 2. So wait. Lets do the math. 3 picks in exchange for 1 pick can be expressed as 3-1. This = 2. Interesting. How did we get 2, and you got 3? Because in your fantasy world, the Rams have already used their pick on RGIII and the Redskins have not spent theirs. Illogical. You also want to be emotionally negative because you think you know better. Well, you don't. You're not an NFL scout or coach or anything remotely affiliated with an NFL team. You are a radio host. Why is no one beating down your door to be their next talent evaluator? Because anyone can talk about this all day, but very few have what it takes to make the decisions. Ultimately, only 1 team each year gets to gets bragging rights for the decisions they made. Everyone else gets back to the drawing board. It's an elite group, and the rest of us can only pretend to know better.Drazywhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09394487642278188561noreply@blogger.com